Will the Tech Oligarchs Turn on Trump?

Subscribe here: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | YouTube In this episode of The David Frum Show , The Atlantic ’s David Frum opens with his thoughts on the growing calls for Medicare for All.

David discusses how Medicare for All might actually work, why it’s impractical, and why it is fundamentally a promise Democrats cannot keep.

Then, David is joined by Kara Swisher to discuss her new podcast with Hillary Clinton, the dangers of unregulated AI, and the power of the AI oligarchs over American politics.

David and Kara discuss the potential of an AI bubble and what responsible oversight of AI would look like.

Finally, David ends the episode with a discussion of The Rise and Fall of American Growth: The U.S.

Standard of Living Since the Civil War by Robert Gordon, and whether the AI revolution changes any of Gordon’s pessimistic assessments of what has happened to American growth since 1970.

The following is a transcript of the episode: David Frum: Let me ask you about what works and things you’ve changed your mind about.

So you have been a career-long advocate for stronger regulation of technology in general— Kara Swisher: David, let me correct you.

Any regulation.

We don’t have any.

Frum: What’s your line? “Your local deli is more regulated than the biggest tech platforms in America.” Swisher: Everything. [ Music ] Frum: Hello, and welcome to The David Frum Show .

I’m David Frum a staff writer at The Atlantic.

My guest this week will be Kara Swisher, host of the On With Kara Swisher podcast, and co-host of Pivot , and co-host, very excitingly, of a new podcast that she will co-star [with] Hillary Clinton.

And we’ll be talking about that new podcast with Kara.